Does Savannah Heat cause scattering? - Guild Wars Forums

dts720666 · Oct 08, 2007, 09:49 PM // 21:49

I get "yelled at" in some PUGs when I use Savannah Heat because they think I am using firestorm. I know that Firestorm causes scattering of foes, but does Savannah Heat?

angmar_nite · Oct 08, 2007, 09:50 PM // 21:50

yes. But it is incredibly powerful if you snare the target.

crazybanshee · Oct 08, 2007, 10:04 PM // 22:04

Basically, yes. any spell with an area of effect (like where it says 'at target's location') will cause enemies to scatter. This includes savannah heat, searign heat, teinai's heat, firestorm. In hard mode, or to avoid having enemies scatter, use spells that target one particular enemy and the ones around it, like searing flames, liquid flame, glowing gaze etc.

angmar_nite · Oct 08, 2007, 10:08 PM // 22:08

if the rate of damage is fast enough, they will still scatter.

TwinRaven · Oct 08, 2007, 10:10 PM // 22:10

Try Ward Against foes before casting it...sure mobs will scatter, but 50% slower....buuuurn, BUUUURNNN!!!

TheRaven · Oct 08, 2007, 10:36 PM // 22:36

yes, they scatter, but Savannah Heat is still a very powerful elite. I use it all the time on my Ele. I used to use Searing Flames a lot until I capped SH. Now I use SH almost exclusively unless I know it just isn't appropiate for the area. (The Deep doesn't go well with it)

The noobs yelling at you are the same folks that think Searing Flames is the only fire elite in the game. These are most likely folks that have never played an Ele before and just read somewhere that Searing Flames pwnz all enemies and Flare is the bestest skill ever because you can click it non-stop!!!!!!!!

Coloneh · Oct 08, 2007, 10:37 PM // 22:37

try deep freeze

Antheus · Oct 08, 2007, 10:42 PM // 22:42

I thought mobs no longer scatter in normal mode?

It used to be if they got hit twice in 3 seconds or something like that, then they'd scatter.

Fire does wonders against stationary targets and minions. It is however less useful against things that move. SF gets by this limitation with burning, but it still doesn't do all that great damage.

SH and similar are quite useful when combined with minions. Those body block the mobs, then the rain comes down.

freaky naughty · Oct 09, 2007, 12:24 AM // 00:24

All AoE spells except Meteor Shower will cause them to scatter. Try snares like frozen burst it will slow em down or they won't move at all

Crom The Pale · Oct 09, 2007, 12:28 AM // 00:28

virtually all AoE fire spells should be combined with a snare and/or Mark of Rodgorts.

Water hexes make for nice snares as do wells or a epidemic/cripple ranger.

sky sliverwolf · Oct 09, 2007, 12:31 AM // 00:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by freaky naughty

All AoE spells except Meteor Shower will cause them to scatter. Try snares like frozen burst it will slow em down or they won't move at all

umm MS does cause them to scatter, but only in HM

kahmal_oakenshield · Oct 09, 2007, 12:33 AM // 00:33

Keep in mind, depending on what you're facing, scattering isn't a big deal. Frozen Elementals, stationary npcs, Dolyaks, other slow creatures, etc. usually won't move fast enough. Especially with a warrior distracting them.

RPGmaniac · Oct 09, 2007, 12:50 AM // 00:50

I thought it was that monsters won't scatter until they drop below 50% health. And how do those people think you're using Firestorm? The animations for those skills are totally different! And all AoEDoTs will cause scatter.

Kale Ironfist · Oct 09, 2007, 01:57 AM // 01:57

All monsters will flee, just that HM AI will flee faster than NM AI while in AoE. Savannah Heat animation is a combination of Fire Storm and Searing/Teinai's Heat IIRC.

Risus · Oct 09, 2007, 02:26 AM // 02:26

To answer your question, yes SH does scatter most foes (not the noobs).
AND to add on to that, savanna heat displays the searing/tenai's heat + the firestorm graphic, so it looks like a firestorm from a distance.

Batou of Nine · Oct 09, 2007, 03:14 AM // 03:14

LoL, the facts are all scattered around here as well as a ton of false info...
Lets try to culminate them all for the OP::

NM monster Ai takes a few seconds longer to scatter then in HM.
All DURATION (All means *ALL*, aka MS myth, etc) AoE will cause the monster Ai to scatter in both HM and NM.
This includes all skills that say "For X seconds..." or to that affect.
Monster Ai will also scatter if they take non-duration AoE damage at a fast enough rate.

Also, i believe that...
Monsters will also scatter if more then 3 monsters are focused on a single target and the monsters go under 50% hp. If the Ai doesn't get triggered by any duration/damage rate AoE, then i think they will continue to attack that target but only 3 melee at a time, rotating usually (applicable to casters to perhaps?).

There we go does that help? If anyone has more to add to that list, quotes + copy and post ftw!!

cheers

RPGmaniac · Oct 09, 2007, 03:28 AM // 03:28

Huh, maybe I never noticed the firestorm effect before. Can't be right 100% of the time, eh?

SotiCoto · Oct 09, 2007, 08:16 AM // 08:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by Batou of Nine

Also, i believe that...
Monsters will also scatter if more then 3 monsters are focused on a single target and the monsters go under 50% hp. If the Ai doesn't get triggered by any duration/damage rate AoE, then i think they will continue to attack that target but only 3 melee at a time, rotating usually (applicable to casters to perhaps?).

Casters don't generally rotate.

You will only have 3 melee on you at a time... but ALL ranged attackers and spellcasters will carry on attacking regardless most of the time. There are occasional oddities where one will stop wanding, but generally they all seem to carry on regardless from my experience.
If you're at all uncertain... try Mo/D 55ing the mob of undead in Gates of Kryta. By the first minute of Shield of Judgement, all you'll have left are hellhounds and grasping ghouls... unless somehow one of the rangers or warlocks got obstructed by a hill. Those hounds and ghouls will continue to attack in groups of three... and run away when they get low enough on health (causing another to run in to take their place) UNLESS you're attacking the one in question.

As for the Savannah Heat thing.... I'd imagine it'd scatter like anything else... but I've never had cause to use it since I don't use Hard Mode for anything but farming yet. I'd certainly say Deep Freeze is the way to go though, despite its short duration. It should keep the enemy pinned down long enough for them to feel the full brunt of the Savannah Heat.
Then again... if you're in Hard Mode.... I'd recommend leaving the Deep Freezing to a dedicated Water Elementalist with Ward Against Harm or the like.

Kale Ironfist · Oct 09, 2007, 10:26 AM // 10:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by SotiCoto

I'd certainly say Deep Freeze is the way to go though, despite its short duration. It should keep the enemy pinned down long enough for them to feel the full brunt of the Savannah Heat.

Deep Freeze lasts 10 seconds, regardless of Water Magic attribute. Savannah Heat lasts 5 seconds, regardless of Fire Magic attribute. DF is 'in the area', Savannah Heat is 'nearby'. How is it not enough to pin them down?

ghostlyfenix · Oct 09, 2007, 10:45 AM // 10:45

excessive aoe causes scatter if more than 3 melees are around 50% hp

Oct 08, 2007, 09:49 PM // 21:49	#1
dts720666 Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Apr 2007 Profession: E/Me	Does Savannah Heat cause scattering? I get "yelled at" in some PUGs when I use Savannah Heat because they think I am using firestorm. I know that Firestorm causes scattering of foes, but does Savannah Heat?

Oct 08, 2007, 09:50 PM // 21:50	#2
angmar_nite Jungle Guide Join Date: Feb 2007 Guild: [SNOW] of [YUM] Profession: E/	yes. But it is incredibly powerful if you snare the target.

Oct 08, 2007, 10:04 PM // 22:04	#3
crazybanshee Desert Nomad Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Look out! Profession: E/	Basically, yes. any spell with an area of effect (like where it says 'at target's location') will cause enemies to scatter. This includes savannah heat, searign heat, teinai's heat, firestorm. In hard mode, or to avoid having enemies scatter, use spells that target one particular enemy and the ones around it, like searing flames, liquid flame, glowing gaze etc.

Oct 08, 2007, 10:08 PM // 22:08	#4
angmar_nite Jungle Guide Join Date: Feb 2007 Guild: [SNOW] of [YUM] Profession: E/	if the rate of damage is fast enough, they will still scatter.

Oct 08, 2007, 10:10 PM // 22:10	#5
TwinRaven Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Apr 2005 Profession: W/	Try Ward Against foes before casting it...sure mobs will scatter, but 50% slower....buuuurn, BUUUURNNN!!!

Oct 08, 2007, 10:36 PM // 22:36	#6
TheRaven Desert Nomad Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Virginia Guild: Spirit of Elisha Profession: W/	yes, they scatter, but Savannah Heat is still a very powerful elite. I use it all the time on my Ele. I used to use Searing Flames a lot until I capped SH. Now I use SH almost exclusively unless I know it just isn't appropiate for the area. (The Deep doesn't go well with it) The noobs yelling at you are the same folks that think Searing Flames is the only fire elite in the game. These are most likely folks that have never played an Ele before and just read somewhere that Searing Flames pwnz all enemies and Flare is the bestest skill ever because you can click it non-stop!!!!!!!!

Oct 08, 2007, 10:37 PM // 22:37	#7
Coloneh Furnace Stoker Join Date: Nov 2006 Profession: D/W	try deep freeze

Oct 08, 2007, 10:42 PM // 22:42	#8
Antheus Forge Runner Join Date: Jan 2006	I thought mobs no longer scatter in normal mode? It used to be if they got hit twice in 3 seconds or something like that, then they'd scatter. Fire does wonders against stationary targets and minions. It is however less useful against things that move. SF gets by this limitation with burning, but it still doesn't do all that great damage. SH and similar are quite useful when combined with minions. Those body block the mobs, then the rain comes down.

Oct 09, 2007, 12:24 AM // 00:24	#9
freaky naughty Krytan Explorer Join Date: Sep 2007 Profession: Mo/N	All AoE spells except Meteor Shower will cause them to scatter. Try snares like frozen burst it will slow em down or they won't move at all

Oct 09, 2007, 12:28 AM // 00:28	#10
Crom The Pale Furnace Stoker Join Date: Nov 2006 Guild: Ageis Ascending Profession: W/	virtually all AoE fire spells should be combined with a snare and/or Mark of Rodgorts. Water hexes make for nice snares as do wells or a epidemic/cripple ranger.

Oct 09, 2007, 12:33 AM // 00:33	#12
kahmal_oakenshield Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Jul 2005 Profession: E/R	Keep in mind, depending on what you're facing, scattering isn't a big deal. Frozen Elementals, stationary npcs, Dolyaks, other slow creatures, etc. usually won't move fast enough. Especially with a warrior distracting them.

Oct 09, 2007, 12:50 AM // 00:50	#13
RPGmaniac Desert Nomad Join Date: Aug 2005	I thought it was that monsters won't scatter until they drop below 50% health. And how do those people think you're using Firestorm? The animations for those skills are totally different! And all AoEDoTs will cause scatter.

Oct 09, 2007, 01:57 AM // 01:57	#14
Kale Ironfist Jungle Guide Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Australia Guild: Venatio Illuminata [VEIL] Profession: W/	All monsters will flee, just that HM AI will flee faster than NM AI while in AoE. Savannah Heat animation is a combination of Fire Storm and Searing/Teinai's Heat IIRC.

Oct 09, 2007, 02:26 AM // 02:26	#15
Risus Krytan Explorer Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: 56min UW HM post-2/25 I win Guild: FDR Profession: A/	To answer your question, yes SH does scatter most foes (not the noobs). AND to add on to that, savanna heat displays the searing/tenai's heat + the firestorm graphic, so it looks like a firestorm from a distance.

Oct 09, 2007, 03:14 AM // 03:14	#16
Batou of Nine Desert Nomad Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: California, USA Guild: Angel Sharks [AS] (RiP [KaiZ] T__T") Profession: Mo/E	LoL, the facts are all scattered around here as well as a ton of false info... Lets try to culminate them all for the OP:: NM monster Ai takes a few seconds longer to scatter then in HM. All DURATION (All means ALL, aka MS myth, etc) AoE will cause the monster Ai to scatter in both HM and NM. This includes all skills that say "For X seconds..." or to that affect. Monster Ai will also scatter if they take non-duration AoE damage at a fast enough rate. Also, i believe that... Monsters will also scatter if more then 3 monsters are focused on a single target and the monsters go under 50% hp. If the Ai doesn't get triggered by any duration/damage rate AoE, then i think they will continue to attack that target but only 3 melee at a time, rotating usually (applicable to casters to perhaps?). There we go does that help? If anyone has more to add to that list, quotes + copy and post ftw!! cheers

Oct 09, 2007, 03:28 AM // 03:28	#17
RPGmaniac Desert Nomad Join Date: Aug 2005	Huh, maybe I never noticed the firestorm effect before. Can't be right 100% of the time, eh?

Oct 09, 2007, 10:45 AM // 10:45	#20
ghostlyfenix Jungle Guide Join Date: Feb 2007 Profession: W/	excessive aoe causes scatter if more than 3 melees are around 50% hp